SACHA PFEIFFER, HOST: 5 of the six largest wildfires in California’s recorded historical past ignited within the final six weeks. In that very same time, an epic warmth wave suffocated the state, making it the most popular August on file. And within the final decade, California wilted in a years-long drought. Possibly nowhere are the local weather results predicted in a hotter world extra seen than in California. The state has already dedicated to get 100% of its electrical energy from photo voltaic and wind and different zero-carbon power sources by the 12 months 2045. And yesterday, Gov. Gavin Newsom introduced one other plank of his emissions discount technique. (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING) GAVIN NEWSOM: By 2035, within the subsequent 15 years, we’ll remove within the state of California the gross sales of inner combustion engines. PFEIFFER: Gov. Newsom, a Democrat, is right here with me to speak about this. Welcome again to ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. NEWSOM: It is nice to be with you. Thanks for having me. PFEIFFER: And, governor, to make clear first, this order would have an effect on solely new car gross sales – so no extra gross sales of gas-powered or diesel-powered vehicles or vehicles after 2035 – however wouldn’t stop Californians from proudly owning vehicles with inner combustion engines previous 2035 or promoting them on the used car market. Is that proper? NEWSOM: Yeah, that is precisely proper. And in order that’s – I imply, and it is an essential level as a result of folks, clearly, are proper to say, properly, you are taking one thing away, when the truth is we’re not taking something away. We’re simply establishing a body of consideration that’s self-evident to anybody that is watching the development traces, that that is the place the auto producers are going. That is the place the proverbial puck is, and we need to skate in direction of it, and we need to speed up a development you are seeing throughout the remainder of the world. A minimum of now 15 international locations have put out comparable alerts of their intention to do one thing alongside the traces of what California is doing. PFEIFFER: To make this occur, California must add enormous numbers of electrical charging stations. It’s essential to improve your electrical grid, which is already getting old, already pressured to do rolling blackouts throughout warmth waves. How lifelike is that this when it comes to California’s infrastructure? NEWSOM: We are able to do it. I imply, the truth is we’re already doing it. Thirty-four % of our electrical energy comes from renewable locations. We have now over 50% of all of the electrical energy produced and procured in California from non-carbon sources. We have now a plan. We have now a technique. We went by way of an historic warmth wave that was actually a warmth dome on all the west coast of the USA. We’re reliant on imports from different Western states, and that is what impacted us for these two days the place we had rolling blackouts. However we imagine our methods transferring ahead will mitigate that. And that primarily can be superior by way of battery storage expertise, which is actually taking form, which for us goes to be the sport changer and, we predict, for this nation because it pertains to our transition to renewable energy. PFEIFFER: Possibly by 2035, electrical vehicles can be cheaper, however for now, they’re sometimes costlier than gas-powered. And California clearly is a state with an enormous affordability disaster. How do you not make that affordability disaster worse for Californians? And I am questioning if you are going to add any monetary incentives for purchases of electrical vehicles. NEWSOM: Effectively, we make it worse by sustaining a established order, by simply going about our enterprise as traditional. I imply, what we’re attempting to do is speed up funding, speed up innovation and analysis improvement, speed up manufacturing. And as a consequence, we predict that was considerably create a price competitiveness that can convey down the electrical car area. It is an financial crucial that we transfer on this route to make the form of investments which might be obligatory. PFEIFFER: The Trump administration has already criticized your plan. They’re calling it one other instance of the acute left, the federal government attempting to dictate how Individuals dwell their lives, Democrats not caring about destroying jobs and elevating shopper prices. Your response to all that? NEWSOM: It gobbledygook. It is nonsense. It is non-factual. It isn’t even an fascinating argument. It is fairly stale. Already California has 5 instances extra inexperienced jobs than we do fossil gas jobs. Fossil fuels are actually the choice power. They need to return to a 19th century mindset the place the American producers will not be even going to be aggressive internationally when it comes to the place the remainder of the world goes with electrical automobiles and zero-emission automobiles. So, I imply, it is – I am nearly actually – I am a bit embarrassed by these arguments as a result of they fly within the face not solely of the info, but additionally the place the automotive corporations themselves need to go. I do not know who the Trump administration is doing bidding for, however they’re actually, actually – they’re nearly troglodytes when it comes to their strategy to local weather and to the financial system and the place we’re going as a nation. PFEIFFER: I need to return to local weather change being a key driver of this proposal you could have as a result of final week, President Trump attended a briefing with you in regards to the California wildfires. And also you respectfully defined to him that the overwhelming majority of scientific proof says local weather change is actual, it is making wildfires worse. However then shortly afterward, the president had this exchange with one other California official, Wade Crowfoot. We have heard it so much, however let’s hear it once more. (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING) PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It’s going to begin getting cooler. WADE CROWFOOT: I want… TRUMP: You simply watch. CROWFOOT: I want science agreed with you. TRUMP: Effectively, I do not suppose science is aware of, really. PFEIFFER: However, Gavin Newsom, you did not push again on that. Why not? NEWSOM: Effectively, we pushed again. I do not know of one other governor in the USA that sat just a few ft away from the president and talked about local weather change, reminded him that 57% of the forests within the state of California are underneath federal jurisdiction, simply 3% underneath state jurisdiction. And the rationale I invited Wade Crowfoot was exactly for the rationale you simply heard. And so Donald Trump isn’t enthusiastic about proof. He is not within the info round science and scientific information. He is confirmed that when it comes to COVID in his response. He is clearly confirmed that when it comes to his full denial of local weather change, calling it, as he has not surprisingly, a Chinese language hoax. He is aware of higher. That is my private perception. And we had been honored to have the ability to show a distinct perspective. And I am very proud that this state is asserting itself at this degree. PFEIFFER: There are nonetheless months of fireside season forward in California. Something you possibly can really feel you are able to do proper now to make California kind of actually much less flamable? NEWSOM: Effectively, we’re doing – and we have put a file amount of cash within the final two years into our suppression efforts, our pre-deployment of belongings. We have – extra applied sciences gentle our programs. We have got infrared cameras that we have prepositioned all all through the state. We’re using satellite tv for pc expertise in methods we have not up to now. We have now an historic variety of firefighters, new engines that we have put out. So all of that we hope will inure to mitigating a number of the worst. However we won’t achieve this except we get critical about decarbonizing our financial system in a way more expedited method. PFEIFFER: That is a Democratic California Gov. Gavin Newsom speaking about his plan to finish gross sales of recent gas-powered and diesel-powered vehicles and vehicles in California by 2035. Governor, thanks for speaking with us. NEWSOM: Nice to be with you. (SOUNDBITE OF MARK BARROTT’S “MOKUSHO”) Transcript offered by NPR, Copyright NPR.